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Posted by David Murrell
(193.13.57.13) on February 06, 2002 at 08:42:49:
In Reply to: Is the US preparing an invasion of Somalia? posted by Afshin Enssi on December 13, 2001 at 09:22:36:
We, still have any questions... We, Yusuf Ahmed Al
Jazeeri, Abdikarim Hassan Moallin, Mohamed Moallin,
Bihi Aden fr. Sweden, Abdirisak Aden, Abdi Abdulaziz
Ali, Yusuf Ahmed Ali, Basbas Aden fr. Gaevle-city,
Hassan Nur, Nyamko Sabuni cc. Torsten.Aden@tsl.uu.se,
Mohamed Abdirisak -borned in Somalia; place:
pre-doctoral education: University of Karlsruhe,
Germany. doctoral institution: University of
Karlsruhe, Omer Aden omer.aden@umea.se, Robert Aden,
Maryan Moallin from U.S.A. moallin.maryan@pbgc.gov,
Hassan Moallin - social psycholog in Britannia, Farah
Moallin staff /BBC, Guled Moallin from Canada
info@somalipress.com, Ali Ghaleb Himmat (exile in
Sudan), Abdi Abdillahi Moallin staff at Amoud
University-Somalia, Hawa M. Moallin at Andrews
University-Miami U.S.A. idp@andrews.edu, Ali Nur
Moallin fr. København, Abdirahman Ismail Hagi Moallin
fr. København... etc. Yes, we insist by the side of
proletarians and we as seriouas politicians,
scientists, journalists etc. declare that we are for
an anti-Imperialist World and we got the best
supoports of our friends by the solidarity committées,
proletariats, freedom fighters etc. At the least we
explain that have any questions, which published on
the pages of http://www.somalihome.com/forum/
If you didn't read it we explain our questions here
and you see what we insist for you / by your heart /
for your honor: Yes, we are asking:
WHY
the SOMALIANS WERE BEEN CHOSEN and the LOBBIES CHANGED
FRONTS on this CASE?
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JEWISH LOBBIES are so open-willing to HELP to the any
selected IMMIGRANTS; Somalians -nowadays...but WHY?!
The revolutionary groups in Belgique when they
describe this case (Somalians' in exile) as a serious
warning...
We agree with E.U.-revolutionaries who opposite
oligarchie in Bruxelles... That is right; Somalian
representative Abdirisak Aden case is a WARNING for
all other oppressed communities, classes too; of
course, like a comrade add a question on the Chaldeans
/ Assyrians Forum: "WHY the IMMIGRANT WOMEN so deeply
IN SILENCE, even they BEEN EXPLOATED for example thus
SOMALIAN /ETHIOPIAN case?" Liberation is not only
question of men; liberation is the mainly question for
women, too. Immigrant women must struggle against
imperialism by the side of the men...So we, all
together, like a one heart must be on alert against
the Zionist Fascist Lobbies ... Any Work Unions
recommended same suggestions here and many immigrant
volunteers already discuss on this subject for
example:
http://belgium.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=14782
http://f22.parsimony.net/forum41396/messages/6506.htm
Written by U. Nilsson / December 2001
WHY the JEWISH LOBBIES so open-willing to HELP to the
(any) SOMALIANS (-specially- who were the adopted
children of formerly ACP-Marxists...) who are "celever
on financial plays" and corrupt the politicians in EU?
I wonder why many institutions are under Zionist
conspiracy and why E.U. didn't prevent it etc. when I
read an article on the World Socialists' pages like:
"Is the US preparing an invasion of Somalia?
By Chris Talbot
6 December 2001
www.WSWS.org
A series of recent press reports seek to portray the
impoverished African country of Somalia as a centre of
"terrorist activity" and to recommend it as the
next target in the US "war against terrorism". Al
Barakaat, the main financial organisation that Somalis
living abroad use to transfer funds into the country,
along with the Somalia Internet Company were closed
down last month by the Bush administration. It was
alleged that both were conduits for Al Qaeda funds. In
a country divided by warring factions for over a
decade, suffering from hyperinflation and drought,
with a ban on its main export of livestock to the
Middle East because of Rift Valley Fever, closing down
Al Barakaat was a barbaric act. UN officials have
pointed out that most Somalis are now dependent on
income from relatives abroad—between $200 to $500
million a year was transferred to Somalia through Al
Barakaat, compared to only $60 million in
international aid to the country. The resulting
economic strangulation threatens to turn what was
already a humanitarian disaster into mass starvation.
There are repeated suggestions that action against
Somalia should be escalated into surgical strikes
(euphemistically termed "stiletto attacks") or even
outright military invasion—if not by Western troops
then by neighbouring Ethiopia with US backing. In the
Wall Street Journal of November 29, an article
"Post-Afghan Phase of War Takes Shape in the Wings"
cites US officials saying, "Somalia may be the easiest
place to take direct US military action". Like
Afghanistan it "barely has a national government, and
it has few friends to protest a US intervention." As
Somalia lies on the Indian Ocean,the Journal adds, it
"would make moving in US troops and equipment off
nearby ships a lot easier" than in Afghanistan.
According to a Reuters report of the same day, US,
British and German warships are already patrolling the
Somali coast, allegedly to stop Al Qaeda fighters
fleeing from Afghanistan. An article in Britain"s
Sunday Telegraph December 2 states, "A team of senior
British military officers who visited US Central
Command in Tampa, Florida last week was asked to
prepare the strategy for attacks on sites in Somalia.
They have returned to London to discuss the plan with
Ministry of Defence ministers and officials." The
justification for a military assault on Somalia made
in the Wall Street Journal, and repeated throughout
the media, is that a Somali Islamic fundamentalist
terror organisation called Al Itihaad Al Islamiya has
links with Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. A November 4
article in the Washington Post was one of the first to
make this claim, stating that intelligence analysts
from the State Department, Pentagon, CIA and National
Security Council were discussing "where and how" Al
Qaeda operates in Somalia. It is claimed (presumably
based on information from the intelligence analysts,
though stated as fact by the Post) that:
* Al Itihaad is the local "affiliate" or "ally" of Al
Qaeda * Bin Laden sent several top lieutenants to
provide assistance to the "warlord" Mohammed Aideed in
1993, and that Aideed"s forces killed 18 US Army
troops serving in a United Nations military force
* Al Qaeda members continued to use Somalia
as a regional base, including preparations for the
1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania
* Officials from neighbouring Ethiopia state
that Al Itihaad, backed by Al Qaeda, is attempting to
take over the semi-autonomous region in the north of
Somalia called Puntland Various additions have been
made since. For example, in the British Sunday Times
of November 25 it was stated that Al Itihaad was
linked to Muhammad Atef, bin Laden"s security chief
who was killed in the US bombing of Afghanistan. Al
Itihaad is referred to as an "aggressive local
affiliate" of Al Qaeda and Somalia is said to harbour
Al Qaeda operatives. Most recently the Sunday
Telegraph gives a new twist: "It emerged that Saddam
Hussein is funding a number of terrorist training
camps in Somalia used by a militant Islamic group with
close ties to Al Qaeda. According to Iraqi dissident
groups based in London, Saddam has agreed to provide
funding, training and equipment to the Somali group Al
Itihaad Al Islamiya in return for assistance from the
Somali authorities in avoiding United Nations
sanctions." The Telegraph quotes a US official saying,
"This is a significant development for Saddam. He
thinks by forming alliances like this he can get rid
of US forces from the region." They also claim that Al
Qaeda has several training camps in southern Somalia.
For over a month a systematic campaign of lies and
black propaganda against Somalia has been developed by
the US intelligence services. In attempting to brand
the country as a centre for Al Qaeda terrorism, they
have been supported throughout by a compliant media.
To refute the charges listed above, one must first of
all be aware of the virtual absence of knowledge
concerning Somalia among US intelligence officials.
The November 4 Post article points out that the US
embassy was closed in 1991 and, "Somalia today is
something of a mystery to US policymakers and
anti-terrorist experts." In the Telegraph it is
reported that British intelligence has been asked to
look into Islamic groups in Somalia: "We discovered
some pretty big intelligence gaps." No proof has been
given that Al Qaeda was financed by or channelled
funds through Al-Barakaat. Barakaat telecommunications
manager Abdullah Kahiye invited US officials to look
through the company"s books, but the invitation was
rejected. (The organisation is not even based in
Somalia, which it considers unsafe, but in Dubai). He
told the IRIN news service: "For simple justice, I say
to the Americans, please come and investigate. Don"t
depend on lies and rumours put about by envious
competitors or others with a hidden agenda. We have
nothing to hide". The response by the US Treasury was
to insist that there is "very, very strong evidence",
but this could not be revealed because it is based on
classified information. What completely exposes the
campaign against Somalia is the material put forward
by US academic Ken Menkhaus, professor at Davidson
College, North Carolina. Menkhaus, a specialist on
Somalia and Islamic movements, was an advisor to the
UN and is now a consultant to both the UN and the US
government. On November 27 he gave a presentation to
the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in
which he makes it very clear that the claims of Al
Qaeda links in Somalia have no substance. According to
Menkhaus, "With specific regard to Al Qaeda, Somalia
would be "relatively inhospitable terrain" for bin
Laden"s organisation. Alliances in the country are
incredibly fluid, and the difficulty of keeping
secrets in the country would make it difficult for Al
Qaeda to operate clandestinely." With its lack of
government and extensive coastline, Menkhaus says that
Somalia could be used as a "transhipment point" for
terrorists, but provides no evidence of Al Qaeda
operations. He accepts that Al Itihaad "has been the
primary most radical Islamist group in the country for
over a decade." It arose in the 1980s, made up of
groups of young men "particularly disenchanted with
the corrupt repressive government of Mohammed Siad
Barre." (Siad Barre was supported by the US from the
mid 1970s as a counterweight to the Soviet-backed
regime in Ethiopia, and the US only stopped supporting
him following the disintegration of the Soviet Union.)
Neither does the picture of Al Itihaad being an active
terrorist organisation have any justification.
Menkhaus points to the fact that although Al Itihaad
controlled a number of regions in the early 1990s and
controlled one town, Luuq near the Kenyan border,
until it was driven out by Ethiopian troops in 1996,
"Al Itihaad failed in its earlier attempts to exert
control over territory in Somalia." After its defeat,
"Al Itihaad leaders concluded that Somalia was not yet
ready for Islamic rule." Al Itihaad failed, explains
Menkhaus, because it tried to work independently of
the clan system that dominates Somalian society, and
because it received some support from Sudan it was
seen by many Somalis as a foreign puppet. It now
exists as a very disparate organisation, attempting to
promote fundamentalist Islam, trying to infiltrate
such government organisations as exist and trying to
influence businessmen. Its main goals, unlike Al
Qaeda, "are domestic and not international." In so far
as the media claims regarding Al Qaeda, Al Ittihaad
and terrorism in Somalia are not fabrications of the
US intelligence agencies, Menkhaus explains their
likely source: "US policy makers should avoid an
over-reliance on information from the Ethiopian
government, since it has a vested interest in
exaggerating Al Itihaad activities in order to receive
assistance in combating the group." Also within
Somalia: "Excessive reliance on local groups willing
to fight Al Itihaad must be avoided, because most of
these groups are probably more interested in
continuously receiving US resources than actually
eliminating terrorist threats." The same motivation to
gain US funding certainly applies to the Iraqi
opposition groups. Moreover the allegation that Saddam
Hussein is funding terrorist groups connected to Al
Qaeda in Somalia, neatly dovetails with calls for
military intervention in Iraq that could bring the
opposition to power as a US proxy government. The
nationalist ambitions of the Ethiopian regime in
relation to Somalia are hardly a secret. Using their
false claim that Al Itihaad has taken over Puntland as
a justification, the Ethiopian army has now moved into
the region, according to the Wall Street Journal. The
November 28 article reports that while not officially
sanctioning the invasion, a US official stated that it
"didn"t raise any alarms" and was "broadly in line
with US objectives." Finally, the claim that Osama bin
Laden sent his top lieutenants to support Mohammed
Aideed in 1993 is pure fabrication. The US military"s
interest in Somalia is because of its strategic
position. With a large proportion of Europe"s oil
supply passing along the coast of the Horn of Africa
and its closeness to the Middle East, Somalia is of
key geopolitical importance. In 1993 the US attempted
to gain support for its intervention in the guise of a
humanitarian peacekeeping role; now it is using the
threat of terrorism. When over 20,000 US troops were
sent to Somalia in 1993, after first negotiating a
deal with two of the local warlords —Aideed and Ali
Mahdi— growing popular resistance to the intervention
was "explained" by building up Aideed as the
personification of evil. Aideed had to be dealt with
at all costs, even if that meant shooting down
hundreds of innocent civilians in Mogadishu with
helicopter gunfire. The result was not just that
Aideed opposed the US intervention, but the Somali
population as a whole fought back, temporarily uniting
even the warring clan factions, and resulting in an
ignominious humiliation in which 18 US soldiers were
killed. It is a convenient fiction in the "war against
terrorism" to put the forced withdrawal of US troops
from Somalia down to Osama bin Laden as well as
Mohammed Aideed. Ironically, whilst there is no record
of Aideed receiving backing from the Islamic
fundamentalists in Sudan—where bin Laden was residing
at the time— there is apparently a connection with
Afghanistan. Somalis trained by mujahideen fighters
who had returned from Afghanistan, where US
intelligence forces had shown then how to use
rocket-propelled grenades to hit Soviet aircraft,
brought down the US Black Hawk helicopters in
Mogadishu."
ACP-Somalian Marxists in exile replied us with a short
comment; "If European Unian really could pay attention
to the democratical institutions so E.U. should say
stop the U.S.&Zion Imperialism... But E.U. has two
face, unfortunatelyy... It is a tradition by the
European oligarchical power, to talk oin rights but in
same time collaborate with the anti-democratical
profits..."
**
This page referred by African Communist Party
-Somalian Revolutionary Marxists in exile
/Rinkeby-SWEDEN representatives: Yusuf Salah Moallin
(nickname: Comrade Josef STALIN), financial
responsilities-advisör Abdirisak Aden and Ahmed Ali
Yusuf ... "and we, all the members in exile, join
WSWS.org on this case!", gen. secr. comments.
Central Bureau / (home, too) immigrant African
politicians in exile: J. Salah Moallin , Bergeng. 7 ,
164 37 (Kista) SPÅNGA-SWEDEN Tel.00.46.8632 05 01
secr. Leyla Nur Moallin , Risingeplan 18163 68
(Tensta) SPÅNGA, Tel.00.46.8761 64 23 I agree with my
relatives : Fatima Nur , Svärdsliljev. 57165 77
HÄSSELBY -SWEDEN, Tel. 00.46.838 77 94 I am member in
the opposite-group by the Swedish Conservative Party
(but none could prevent me to protest US&Zion Fascism)
Account us, too: Bijan Fahimi, Alma Fahimi ,
Henriksdalsringen 109, 131 32 NACKA -STOCKHOLM ,
Tel.00.46.8615 29 22 ...and me, too:Nyamko Sabuni
(borned 1969 in Kongo-Kinshasa) , c/o Fp.
Luntmakargatan 66, P. O. Box 65 08 , 113 83 STOCKHOLM
, Fax: 00.46.8673 25 91
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http://www.geocities.com/americanterrorism/AmericanIsraeliTerrorism.html
http://www.theguestbook.com/vgbook/130905.gbook
http://www.riwaq.com/arabic_animation/shut_up.html
"Should Al-Qaida built close ties with Antifa
Solidarity movements etc.? -Maybe! Why not?!",
Somalian / Ethiopian immigrants comment and continue,
"we are welcoming all comrades who struggle against
the ZioniFascist Imperialism" and transferred a page
from the Anti-Fascist & Anti-Zionist Radio FM A:
RAMI"s Guestbook:
http://www.theguestbook.com/vgbook/130905.gbook
Leyla Nur Moallin's mail (you can read her original
letter on the Forum pages of Comrade A. RAMI) : From:
Rinkeby-Sweden / Somalian Immigrant Leyla Nur Moallin
(housewife of "Josef STALIN" Salah Moallin who is the
repersentative of the African Communist Party Somalian
Revolutionaty Marxists - in exile)
To: Radio Antifa A. Rami FM Scandinavia Dear Rami!
Al-Barakaat"s (and al-Taqua, too) MISTAKE IS NOT to be
by the side of al-Qaeda. Nobody has evidence (more),
you know! But our friends (chief idiot Abdirisak Aden,
Yusuf Ahmed Ali, Abdi Abdulaziz Ali, hidden teller (my
unofficially husband J. "STALIN") ---my close friend
from Kinshasa-Kongo--- Nyamko Sabuni and Iranian
stupid (although he asserts he is Iranian Jew but only
his wife Alma is really ScandinavianJew and she
couldn"t mobilize the Jewish lobbies...) bank manager
-!!!- at Merita Nordbanken Mr. Bijan Fahimi and their
lobbies hadn"t enough patience to listen to me, "cause
any members (specially my silly relative Fatima Nur in
Hässelby) was in open depression on all the negative
news and therefore they thought -maybe--- it would be
sympatical attitude to go to the Zionist Foundations
and ask for a Jew-lawyer... Jewish influence is great
but I think different... OK! Zionist mission referred
this dirty case to their master-liar Leif Silbersky...
YES, THIS IS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE; 'cause now a lot of
friends are suspicious on all the Somalian /Solidarity
organizations... P.S. Please inform them; they MUST NO
USE our Tel. ---specially---: 00 46 8 761 64 23, 00 46
8 632 05 01 (these first two nr. belong us, Moallins,
yes; social-office forced us to imitate like divorced,
anyway we could no opportiunies from social insurance
buraeu etc...you know; it's because, the typical
Scandinavian mousetrap system), 00 46 8 36 61 27, 00
46 8 760 47 54, 00 46 8 795 85 82, 00 46 8 36 93 41,
00 46 8 615 29 22 , 00 46 8 26 03 39 But mobile phone
is OK like Bijan Fahimi's 070-716 74 53 or 00 46 8 450
26 81 or 00 46 8 615 29 22 OK, too and e-post which
secure by Nordbanken / Nordea (administration has
traditionally ties with any Jewish authorities) and
therefore this e--post connection is most secure;
eveyone knows in Scandinavia that securitas is a
section of Nordbanken /Nordea... Not only in
Scandinavia, actually we, in whole Europe, as Somalian
communists in exile must struggle against the US&Zion
Imperialism! But my husband suggest that on this case
we must mobilize / exploate our Swedish lobbies, like
a smart maneuver...
http://guestbook.cgi.net/W2UC?messpointer=140
http://www.somalinet.com/forum/reply.php?topic=6130&forum=42&post=111620"e=1
http://guestbook.cgi.net/W2UC?messpointer=120
http://www.mzwakhe.org/MZPET.HTM
Here is the lists of the henchmen of dirty
imperialism: J. S. Moallin says : "Pay attention
please, there is no one terrorist Jew in the world,
when the whole world belongs to U.S. -Imperialism!"
And Abdirisak Aden shows a copy from "a homepage of
the falsification center; "Look at, please; I am in
the list; Abdirisak ADEN, Skaftingebacken 8, Spånga
163 67, Sweden; DOB 01 June 1968 ; well documented,
here:
http://www.ustreas.gov/terrorism.html
As Comrade Josef "STALIN" Moallin says: "Do you show
me any Jew terrorist on this list? No?!. They are the
angels; Uncle Sam's bastards!!! There is no one Jew
terrorist in the Terrorit-List of Imperialism.
Although these mad-criminals drive The Palestinian
Genocide ; they were always been accounted like the
angels by Big Mafia Sam... " Moallin has right; it is
a shameful reality... In the beginning SwedoJewish
Newspapers for example DN /SvD / Menorah SydSvD
/Expressen labelled The African Communist
Party-volunteers as "most Wanted /anti-Imperialist
Terrorists" according to U.S.A. formated lists...
http://www.expressen.se/article.asp?id=87608
It was no difference between the Jewish voice of
U.S.A., which publiched announcem,ents like news:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/attack/nov01/terrormoney-list110701.asp
Lobby member Leif Sillbersky faxed any corrections to
the close U.S.-news agencies, like; "Swedish Somalians
transferred Jewish money, too. There are many evidence
at my office... Baltic (Jewish) communities had no
secure bank system since many years and they will
protect us at court..." Yes, they did it (specially)
when many Somalians sent gifts (money) to the Jewish
Foundations and many selected Jews... After any
contacts by foundations, the Jewish lobbies mobilized
to create the "green light" and Somalian Relief
org.'s-chief succeed to buy the falsificators by
"Nordic Collaborative Propagand Instruments". Jewish
paper Finanstidningen employeed one African for one
month as a demonstrative attitude, who showed that he
is ready to use now his experiences for Jewish
capital... Lobby succeed to share the immigrants in
two parts... All the Jewish papers began to mobilize
its "best-experienced-agitators" and protect the
master-liar Silbersy, for example:
http://www.expressen.se/article.asp?id=87659
And other one Jewish paper, corrupted Sydsvenska
(Menorah) Dagbladet-staff began to support the theatre
of contemporary lies:
http://www.sydsvenskan.com/pub/hpsart548151.html
Simon Wiesenthal Centre (in U.S.A.) succeed to publish
the corrections (announcements) as news which Jackie
Jacubowski, Cordelia Edwardson, Marie-Hélène Boccara
and Per Ahlmark and any other members sent:
http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/dowjones/story/0,2619,26127-190200,00.html
Necessary info is available by: Sven Hansson, Johanna
Strandh, Afshin Enssi, johanna.strandh@veritas.se,
afshin.enssi@veritas.se, sven.hansson@fededge.se,
vansteras@hotmail.com, contact@somalitalk.com,
jama@qatar.net.qa, ajama@qafco.com.qa, and Merita
Nordbanken / Nordea; they know better; call and ask
why these two firms started the procedures for
changing the original names: Barakaat International
Foundation and Somali Network AB which been forced to
use the new kamuouflaged names by Skandia Int. Stock
Exchange filiales... Master-liar Leif Silbersky find
this idea very easy because all these roles are the
typical-traditionally Jewish tactical methodes...
Do you reply now: DID THE SWEDoSOMALIANS EXPLOATED the
"Dirty Money-Mania" SSwedoJEWISH LOBBIES? ... or the
JEWISH LOBBIES exploated the CONFUSED IMMIGRANTS?
Which case is the right?
WHO EXPLOATED WHOM in these dirty Cold War territories
worldwide ---specially--- after The 11 September
Siege?
**
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Replied by the SACP (South African ´Communist Party)
SACP Discussion Forum
From: D. van Wyk /SACP
The arrogance of the USA knows no bounds at the
moment. Ofcourse the targets for the US global
aggression and terrorism are small insignificant
countries already wracked by war. The purpose of this
US militarist imperialism is clearly to draw attention
away from domestic economic problems and the hope of
reviving the military industrial complex and
destroying massive global overproduction through the
wasteful activity of war.
**
From: Pacepa /SACP
Articles to damn long. i didn't and won't read this
thing. You could have left the link and we could have
read it from there. the only thing you did was waste
my time as well as yours.
Will the U.S. invade Somalia?
Yeah, basically!.. There is your answer: YES!
**
To: Pacepa /SACP
From: Kamau /SACP
If you are interested in constructive dialogue
("discussion" as in discussion forum) you will read
the entire aticle. The article is of historical and
factual perspective. I always thought that your
approach to this forum was an attempt to create an
extremist perspective so that you can draw down the
contemporary marxist perspective. What you have done
with your latest reply is your refusal to listen to
latent marxist positions and to acknoledge that there
exist individuals who can expound upon the marxist
view of the world.
My reminder to you is the historical effect of the
desturction of the African civilization. My intrinsic
question is 'What would the world have been today had
Africa not been subjected to all the invasions and
rape that has marred her being'. Please do not be
naive and continue to seek to dismiss the past
experience of humanity when the very past has
determined the present. PACEPA, you are human as
anyone else. I ask of you to examine your past just
for a while. I know much of mine. I am of African
descent living in a country that had a history of
slavery. A former colonial society. My great great
great great grand father fought for the British during
the American war of independence. My great great great
grand mother worked as a 'house slave and bought her
and her husband's freedom. I know of the amieoloration
period and the period of abolition of slavery. That
was a stage of my history. But history is not
constant. Human society changes. The African
experience goes longer that my 'out of slavery
experience. That is where the Somalia, Ethiopia,
Nigerian, Egyptian etc. experience has value to the
African experience. South Africa's experience was much
more recent that the Somalian situation. So, when
someone attempts to inform you of their situation, for
the purpose of discussion you should listen and try,
at least try to make a meaningful contribution to
their purpose.
**
From: D. van Wyk /SACP
Dear Kamau I have long given up on PACEPA. It is
impossible to have an intelligent dabate with him. His
reactions are all knee jerk/stock in trade and almost
scripted. Even before one responds it is almost
possible to predict what he will say afterwards.
I have realised that there is a very strong
a-historical and even anti-history sentiment in the
West. They do not want to be reminded of the past,
even the recent past because they do not want to
assume responsibility for it. It is much the same
reaction you will get from a rapist who on questioning
will say one of the following three things: a) She
said no but she did not mean it, or b)I don't know
her, it wasn't me, I did nbot do it; or c)She asked
for it, look at the way she dressd/flaunted herself.
The distorted logic behind the rapist's response and
that of the imperialist/colonialist is that of turning
the victim into the guilty party. Thus Africa has only
herself to blame for her current predicament,
regardless of history!
This denial of history was given a major boost by
Ronald Reagan's endorsement of Francis Fukoyam's book
the "End of History", and the strategic intend to
"roll-back history". It is necessary for us to
carefully draw out the implications of both the "End
of History" thesis and the project to "roll back
history" as these are central to the new imperialism
we have been witnessing over the last three decades.
The intention of Paceba and others, is as you have
said in one of your first posts, to stifle any real
progressive debate around issues of Marxism and its
application to the current realities.
The role of the village idiot in African society is
similarly destructive of sensible debate and
reasoning... that is the role that Paceba has chosen
for himself. So why waste time on anything he has to
say?
**
From: Nate /SACP
People like short statements and short replies. A long
article cuts into our Nintendo64 & beer drinking time.
And can someone tell me what geraldo rivera is smokin?
Digging around caves at tora bora? gee whiz.
**
From: D. van Wyk /SACP
You see Nate, I am sure that neither the SACP nor any
committed Marxists care about you Nintendo or beer
drinking time! You are not the site administrator, nor
are you making any meaningful contribution to
discusstion. By the way some believe that Bin Laden
got his towering ideas from a Nintendo Game. I also
read somewhere that there is a great resemblance
between many of the school-yard shootings in the USA
and arcade games. You condition kids and adults to be
violent, and soon they will take it into uncontrolled
situations outside thei arcade or pc screens! Happy
commodification of violence, lovely consumer society!
**
From: Pacepa /SACP
You are not the site administrator either, van Wyk. As
a matter of fact,you are not a real Communist. Merely
a bourgeoise with bourgeoise tastes and
tendencies,afraid to revolutionise your thinking;you
still cling to your old comfortable lifestyle. You
complain constantly of a comsumerist society yet you
do nothing to change it,even in your own country.
Because of the high rate of crime in your country,you
are afraid to work among the peasants,who complain in
the Guest book that your Party is not accessible.
There are complaints that applications are not being
processed by your Party. I've raised the matter with
Kamau and now I am raising the matter with you. Well,
what are you going to do about it,Mr.Bourgeoise van
Wyk? Are you going to continue to ignore the peasants
in the rural areas? That is not fair to them. It is
not enough to make speeches before Trade Unions. You
cannot simply rest on your laurels. As of now you
have no credibilty.
**
From: Pavel /SACP
Nate, it looks as if Geraldo is seriously smoked up.
When he does his stand-ups it looks as if he is about
to fall over and he is constantly blinking. What about
this sniper stuff,if there were real snipers out there
he would be finshed by now. These T.V. dopes forget
that real snipers are trained in estimation of
distance ect. With an AK rifle(the rifles that are
currently used by the Northern Alliance are,in
fact,74's or 90's not 47's) the AK74 round has a
tendency to tumble through the air making it unstable
and inaccurate.
Snipers have to be accurate in order to escape
detection. Once they shoot, they have to relocate
their position and out there that is impossible on
that terrain during the daytime unless they are in the
rocks. Geraldo said the snipers were out about 200
meters. 200 metres with an AK is not serious shooting.
They would be lucky to hit anything. A trained sniper
with a Dragunov sniper rifle, 80's vintage and Geraldo
would already be gone. AK at 200 metres would be a
lucky hit.Chances are he faked the shot with one of
his Alliance escorts. Notice how he keeps furtively
looking from right to left in his stand-up.
Once again,it is all about Geraldo. The reason that
Christianne Amanpour is out there is because Fox is
kicking CNN's ass in ratings. So you bring out the
sacred cows to sway the masses.
AK rifles were designed for assault style shooting at
very close range. Soviet and East Bloc forces were not
taught to aim their weapons,but to shoot largely from
the hip en mass as they were following tanks over open
plain,as in Europe. To put it simply,you can try and
sight an AK to shoot accurately at 200 metres but good
luck at hitting your target. You would not be able to
group shots in a bullseye on a target. Best bet is to
aim at a man-size target and select semi-auto and hope
you hit your target,as was probably the case with
Geraldo.
But with him, you never know.
**
From: D. van Wyk /SACP
PREVENTING U.S.- IMPERIALISM:
The increased US imperialist activities since the
comming to office of the champion of the US military
industrial complex in the US has also led to an
increased awareness of the aggressive intentions of
the US towards the Third World, towards working class
organisations, against human rights fought for over a
period of more than a 100 years. Comrades should note
the following campaigns: 1. "Shut down the School of
the Americas". This is the USA training centre for
tinpot presidents and banana republic generals, check
out the campaign details at : http://www.soaw.org/
2. For anyone interested in opposing US military
aggression check out
www.antiwar.com
3. For those interested in Osama bin Lasden's Bush
Family Business Connections, check out
http://www.konformist.com/911/osama-bush.htm
perhaps one should consider a campaign to have the
Bush family arrested on terrorism and conspiracy
charges for supporting terrorism. Makes one wonder how
the massive military operation in Afghanistan to
capture Bin Laden "dead or alive" failed sao
miserably? Perhaps it is because a trail (if it is to
be an open and fair affrair would reveal too much
about Bush and the CIA?)
For Bin Landen's connections to the CIA see Michael
Moran, s report to MSNBC, "Bin Laden Comes Home to
Roost." One wonders when US tax payers will wake up to
the very unaccountable and undemocratic system that
proclaims itself US Democracy? When US citizens will
wake up to the global abuse that takes place in their
name? When will Americans insist that their tax monies
do not go towards sponsoring global misery and
terrorism?
Americans can waste their time with trivialities like
Monika Lewinski and a President that thought that his
branch of government was hanging between his legs,
instead of concerning themselves with US involvement
in the international drugs trade (Oliver North/drugs
for guns). The President at the time got off scott
free (in any other country a president would have been
forced to resign after such massive corruption.
If Sept 11 happened in any other country, serious
questions would have been asked of intelligence
services and of the government after the exposure of
both family business ties between the president and
the terrorists, and the historic connections between
the intelligence services and the anti-imperialists.
**
Answered by J. STALIN MOALLIN /ACP-Somalian Marxists
in the E.U.
Thanks, Comrades!
J.S. MOALLIN
ACP-Somalian Marxists in Exile
2002
** Answered by Nyamko Sabuni / FM
Radio A. Rami Forum:
"WHY the IMMIGRANT WOMEN so deeply IN SILENCE, even
they BEEN EXPLOATED for example thus Somalian
/Ethiopian /Kongo-Kinshasa /Kenyan /Kurdish /Arabian
/Cypriotics etc. cases?"
** Answered by Bobbapink / Free Mind
Forum:
My random thoughts on the matter
"Narrativity is responsible for class divisions," says
Bataille; however, according to Cameron[1] , it is not
so much narrativity that is responsible for class
divisions, but rather the failure, and eventually the
defining characteristic, of narrativity. In The Moor's
Last Sigh, Rushdie analyses socialism; in Satanic
Verses, although, he deconstructs dialectic
nationalism.
If one examines Socialism, one is faced with a choice:
either reject predeconstructivist desituationism or
conclude that sexual identity has intrinsic meaning.
It could be said that Hubbard[2] suggests that we have
to choose between socialism and postcapitalist
patriarchialist theory. Lyotard uses the term
'neocultural capitalism' to denote the paradigm, and
subsequent economy, of capitalist society.
"Sexual identity is part of the stasis of language,"
says Bataille; however, according to McElwaine[3] , it
is not so much sexual identity that is part of the
stasis of language, but rather the genre, and some
would say the defining characteristic, of sexual
identity. However, the example of the
predeconstructive paradigm of consensus intrinsic to
Pynchon's V emerges again in Mason & Dixon, although
in a more mythopoetical sense. Several narratives
concerning the difference between society and sexual
identity may be found.
The main theme of Porter's[4] essay on socialism is
the paradigm of textual art. It could be said that
Lyotard uses the term 'predeconstructivist
desituationism' to denote a self-fulfilling paradox.
The primary theme of the works of Pynchon is the
absurdity, and eventually the rubicon, of predialectic
class.
But Baudrillard suggests the use of Sartreist
absurdity to deconstruct hierarchy. If the
predeconstructive paradigm of consensus holds, the
works of Pynchon are empowering.
Thus, the characteristic theme of Scuglia's[5]
critique of Foucaultist power relations is a
mythopoetical whole. The subject is contextualised
into a socialism that includes culture as a totality.
In a sense, the main theme of the works of Pynchon is
not dematerialism as such, but subdematerialism.
Baudrillard uses the term 'predeconstructivist
desituationism' to denote the bridge between society
and reality.
Thus, many narratives concerning socialism exist. The
characteristic theme of Bailey's[6] model of
predeconstructivist desituationism is the role of the
poet as artist.
It could be said that an abundance of
deconstructivisms concerning the difference between
sexual identity and consciousness may be discovered.
The predeconstructive paradigm of consensus states
that sexuality is capable of significance.
** Answered by Bubba /
Free Mind Forum
On the other hand.....
"Class is part of the absurdity of reality," says
Sartre. Debord suggests the use of modernist theory to
deconstruct society. Therefore, the example of
Derridean reading intrinsic to Dubliners emerges again
in Finnegan's Wake, although in a more self-justifying
sense. Habermas uses the term 'cultural narrative' to
denote the difference between class and sexuality.
It could be said that Baudrillard promotes the use of
modernist theory to deconstruct class divisions.
Sontag uses the term 'Derridean reading' to denote a
textual reality.
However, many appropriations concerning the
predeconstructive paradigm of narrative exist. The
subject is contextualised into a modernist theory that
includes truth as a reality. Reicher[resarcher]
suggests that we have to choose between neodialectic
libertarianism and modernist theory.
** Answered by
SACP Discussion Forum Columbia,
Somalia, Palestine
From: Clive Swan
Comments
Columbia The reports comrades write about life in the
liberated areas sound quite normal. To most workers,
peasants & poor living in South America they would be
idealic. NO death squads, people can walk around &
kids play in the streets. People have a say through
popular structures. It appears Bush is pushing the
Columbian right to end this. Well Bush needs to sell
more arms now that Afghanistan is cooling down.
Somalia Colonialism & racism has inhibeted the
emergance of a black pettie/bourgeoise. Landlords
represents a form of primitive accumulation.
Trans-national Corporations just need to bribe a
warlord rather than paying tax & building up social
society & public capital.
Palestine Sharon was responsible for massacres of
refugees, women and children in Shabra & Shatila in
Beruit, Lebanon. The PLO has been forced to accept a
settlement that would make the Bantustans look
progressive. The direct Palestine rule is less than 3%
of occupied areas. We need to support the call for an
indepedent Palestinian state with Jersualem as the
capital. Troops out of Palestine now.
Clive
**
SACP Discussion Forum
Answered by John(usa)
Comments
BTW: I watched approximately four hours of CBS combat
footage from the Vietnam war. Ia Drang,1965 in the
Central highlands;Tet offensive and the Battle for
Hue,1968;Quang Tri,1972,near the DMZ with the former
North Vietnam.
I can understand what battle fatigue might feel like
with all the gunfire and dead people all over the
place. It also gives me an appreciation of what our
Vietnamese comrades went through. It seemed like
combat was the great equaliser.Both sides behaved the
same way,it seemed,when they were under hostile fire.
One scene stands out in my mind. A truck full of
refugees in Quang Tri drove over a mine and detonated
it. The road was full of dead refugees,women and
children as the camera crew walk through and surveyed
the scene,up close. It was ghastly to say the least.
as I watched this segment,I didn't care at this point
about how or why the people were dead,they just were.
It seems that war is a great storm that,as a tornado
will,destroy everyone and everything in its path.
Also,it did not seem too imporatant who won;it seemed
more important that the shooting stop and to stay out
of the way of the gunfire. Another feeling that was
evident in myself was the expectation that you are
either standing up and alive or lying prone and dead.
In other words the expectation was not "your lying on
the ground,why are you doing that?" It was "Ah,you
must be dead." There did not seem to be any existance
in between.
Strange,I can see the road full of dead refugees in my
mind,but at the same time I don't have much pity.
There wasn't anything anyone could do except move on.
I also have a better idea about risks on a
battlefield. It seems that death is much more certain
and that people die much more quickly than in a
Hollywood war film. the idea of volunteering for a
dangerous assignment doesn't appear to be all that
appealing. The film"Saving Private Ryan" seems rather
childish in a way as compared to the real thing.
Just think; we might have to go through real combat
one day during the revolutionary phase in the
construction of Socialism. Are we ready?
**
ACP-Representative comments::
Olirgarchical Sistem blocked the money of poor
immigrants and specialkly the Leftist Somalians and
same sistem share oiur bread to the traitorous
collaborators like Nedim Dagdeviren and other Neo-Zion
Group. Nordea Bank-Experts explain it many times for
example:
http://www.dagensforvaltning.net/artiklar/905.shtml
What means "Projektledare Nedim Dagdeviren"?
But there are honorable Kurds, too! Special thanks to
PKK for revolutionary support by daily newspapers,
which publising in Germany:
(original text by Abdirisak Aden / Josef S. Moallin):
The victims of Imperialist war would like to thank to
PKK for revolutionary support for example by the Ö.
Politika daily newspapers, which publising in Germany
(PKK and other revolutionary Marxist parties didn't
leave the Somalian Marxists alone against the Military
subventions of Zionism):
http://www.ozgurpolitika.org/2001/11/15/alldis.html
For further information, please visit these sources,
links, related sites and discussion forums, there
many authorities discuss on above subjects so-caled
the "Open Revenge" between E.U.'s democratical
institutions and the corruptial assassini Zionist
lobbies:
http://indictsharon.net/case-crimes.shtml
http://www.boikottisrael.no/liste/index.html
http://home.online.no/~steinhol/internasj/tyrk_kurd/tyrkia.html
http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/artikler/tema/2001-tema-intifada1aar.html
http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/artikler/globalt/2002-na0131-israelsk_soldaterprotest.htm
http://www.akp.no/utvalg/iu/palestina/index.html
http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=8657&forum=2&6
http://neptune.guestworld.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=somaliawatch
Somali Watch & SomaliNet & www.Kurdinfo and
www.Antifa.net sympathizers